whoa, you cant have a list like that and not include at least one team from the upstate... we dont have the sexy 23-3 records. but half the teams in the conference would be 14-2 in other conferences....

gotta at least go with case western.

Non-gimmicky?Anyway, I'd concur with mrpolo - 8 teams in that conference would finish 1st or 2nd in most conferences - I ve got a few scars from the beatings.UW-Superior is a gimmick squad that's a year away - snuck into the top 25 with 9 Fr/So. Next year we've got a chance to challenge in the NT.

Quote: Originally posted by mrpolo09 on 8/06/2009whoa, you cant have a list like that and not include at least one team from the upstate... we dont have the sexy 23-3 records. but half the teams in the conference would be 14-2 in other conferences....
gotta at least go with case western.

Case Western would be the best shot... but I believe this is a bit of a down year for the Upstate in terms of power teams. There's no beast in there that scares everyone. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

The Upstate's combined record against teams I've named on that list is 2-18. So I don't think you can automatically say that several Upstate teams would 14-2 in other conferences. Case Western beat MBBC, and Wash. U beat Thomas... that's it.

Among those 18 combined losses, 9 were to Norm's MBBC squad, a few were to SUNYM, a couple to Oberlin, and a potpourri of Lasell, Hamline, Beloit, Monmouth. The Upstate's reign as the dominant force in Wooden D3 won't last forever...

Quote: Originally Posted By bradshaw3001 on 8/06/2009
Case Western would be the best shot... but I believe this is a bit of a down year for the Upstate in terms of power teams. There's no beast in there that scares everyone. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

The Upstate's reign as the dominant force in Wooden D3 won't last forever...

I agree I extended offer to play a few of those teams and got turned down I guess McMurry isnt good enough? hmm well I hope to see in the nt. I did get beat down by bradshaw though.

Quote: Originally Posted By bradshaw3001 on 8/06/2009

Quote: Originally posted by mrpolo09 on 8/06/2009whoa, you cant have a list like that and not include at least one team from the upstate... we dont have the sexy 23-3 records. but half the teams in the conference would be 14-2 in other conferences....
gotta at least go with case western.

Case Western would be the best shot... but I believe this is a bit of a down year for the Upstate in terms of power teams. There's no beast in there that scares everyone. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

The Upstate's combined record against teams I've named on that list is 2-18. So I don't think you can automatically say that several Upstate teams would 14-2 in other conferences. Case Western beat MBBC, and Wash. U beat Thomas... that's it.

Among those 18 combined losses, 9 were to Norm's MBBC squad, a few were to SUNYM, a couple to Oberlin, and a potpourri of Lasell, Hamline, Beloit, Monmouth. The Upstate's reign as the dominant force in Wooden D3 won't last forever...

whoa, whoa, whoa... it wont last forever, but it wont be ending anytime soon. and it sure as hell wont be stopped by no nic-NAC-paddy-wack conference

How many Upstate coaches does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

12. One to screw it in, and eleven to complain about the sim engine.



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I tend to be long-winded, so please feel free to skip the rest of this nonsense.

The NAC has slowly but surely improved, and it's only a matter of time, polo... We are a self-made conference, comprised mostly of rookie coaches who had never played the game before we signed up for the NAC. With the exception of my race-to-D1 experiment in Tark, and adambrag's MBBC title run in some other world (I forget which), none of us have any other teams in other worlds, and to this point we have not hijacked any coaches (though lord knows we've tried) from other conferences/divisions/worlds. And since all the teams were so bad to begin with, we have not a poacher among us.

We've added coaches one-at-a-time, each one rebuilding a dead program into a contender, so it can't happen overnight. But it will happen eventually. Mark my words, good sir. I turned Lasell from nothing into a power. Latz took a moribound Husson team and turned them into a perennial contender. Thomas's coach is as good a recruiter as there is in the business, and that's why they're the top RPI team this year. Castleton St. went from nothing to the Dynasty list. UMF had no track record of success... now they're on the cusp of 3 straight NT appearances. Elms... well, um, I'll let Gene speak for himself... but long-story-short, they're a disaster. The Becker and Salem St. programs have inexperienced coaches, but they will no doubt ascend to postseason heights the same way everyone else here has.

It may take another year (real time) but the NAC will surp*** the Upstate eventually. If you care to make it interesting, I'm up for it.

lmao, great joke.

wow, nice to have a rivalry going. we've outlasted a few failed attempts at being dethroned, we're ready for another.

i'll think about it, maybe we can do something to make it even more interesting

I'd say the battle for best conference shouldn't just be conference RPI. May I suggest--starting next season--and best-of-3 competition. Conference RPI, head-to-head record, and NT wins. Whoever takes 2 of 3 categories wins.

Of course, next year the NAC is going to be way down, so this may be ill-timed on my part.

I want them to accept my challenges to games the only one who had the balls to play me was hutch brett but he is gone.

Did we forget about the MIAA? I'll throw us up against anyone. Our one shortcoming is the presence of 1 SIM, but having norm makes up for it.

I appreciate that polo has Case (this is still Hutch's team, I am just trying not to screw it up) being the best chance for the Upstate, but we do have the habit of tanking it on offense once in a while. It is probably only fair because our offensive ratings aren't great. That said our press should be tough and does give us a chance against most teams.

Bri, challenge me next year if you want I'll play. From my days at MSJ I have started rivalry games with teams in the Mich and Midwest conf.

Anyway, the CT's and NT should be fun.

Frae ill send a challenge once the schedules open up. I want to play the best. Gl to all in the nt

brianp87 send me an invite I will play anyone. I try to not schedule to difficult for the whole non conference because of how grueling the conference schedule is, but in my opinion to be the best you have the beat the best. And if we want to settle this who is the best conference thing I think the only true way to do it is through head to head play.

Eaner, I agree that the MIAA is probably better than the NAC this year. I think the teams at the top of both conferences are better than anything the Upstate has to offer this year. But this is by far the best year for the NAC ever, and it's a pretty down year for the Upstate... the MIAA keeps on chugging along, and in the eyes of some, has been a better conference than the Upstate the last few years.

I'll give it up for the top teams in the NAC, I wouldn't want to be facing off with them early in the tourney. Though I can try and rationalize that the MIAA has been on the Upstate's plane the past few seasons, if push comes to shove I think that the Upstate is stronger top to bottom. Generally speaking, a 6th place team in either division in the Upstate could probably finish 3 or 4th in an MIAA division.That's what makes judging this so difficult. The top conferences beat the snot out of each other during conference play so there aren't any #1 ranked 25-1 teams coming out of these conferences very often.