GD Hall of Fame Forum/Nominations Topic

cravedogg
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I am talking about the college football hall of fame, not the NFL HOF. This is my opinion and no I will no withdraw my comment. Some will disagree but I will not vote for non D1A/D1AA players just as in real life there are great D2/D3 players who are not in the college HOF.
6/25/2007 12:53 AM
richramirez
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Quote: Originally Posted By cravedogg on 6/25/2007
Quote: Originally Posted By richramirez on 6/24/2007 Damnit QB Lee Hill belongs in the Hall. TD/INT ratio was off the charts and he won 2 National Titles, not sure what else he could of done. Check out his ratings, he looks like a D1AA or D1 QB.
He could of played in D1A... tough to vote for D2 and D3 players, its just too easy to pad stats at that level. Don't get me wrong Lee Hill is the best QB I have seen at the D2 level but that is his downfall, it was D2.In real life you won't find D2 and D3 QBs in the HOF, you really need to be at the D1A and/or D1AA.I am sure others don't agree, just explaining why I did not vote for him.
BY THE WAY: THIS WAS YOUR QUOTE ON HIM A FEW POSTS AGO
Quote: Originally Posted By cravedogg on 5/23/2007
Rich has a certain D2 QB who I know he wants to make sure is in the HOF, trust me this guy is NFL HOF worthy
Don't vote for him i don't care. But how can a guy pad stats when at the time he played he was playing against more humans than some or most D1 guys play against now? Makes no sense, D2 was full in his era and now all levels are full of sims, argument makes no sense. Teams pile on stats vs. Sims.Maybe you should have told the committee that asked you to vote that although this hall of fame is for DI, DIAA, DII and DIII that YOU would not be voting for half of the levels. Maybe they wouldn't have asked you to vote since your standards of upholding the intergrity of the fake, fantasy college football game are so high. Personally i think it's a grudge against Lee Hill for knocking you and V'State out of the playoffs but that's my opinon. Guess Lee will have to just settle for his first hall of fame induction and 2 National Titles.
6/25/2007 5:57 AM
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I will just say that I vote by numbers regardless of level. However, just like any HOF selection committe you are going to have voters with different criteria fo people they vote for. This was the inital voting so I dont think Lee Hill will be snubbed for long and I can understand the feeling as I coached a WR who put up monster stats but will probably never be inducted do to the teams poor performance.
YRGPGSRECYDSAVGTD
5th Year Senior1313178346019.419
Senior1313169306318.128
Junior131392139415.29
Sop****re30000.00
Freshman00*** DID NOT PLAY ***
6/25/2007 6:58 AM
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There is a very clear lack of parity between the top tier D2/D3 teams when compared to D1. Like cravedogg, I discounted the performances of players who achieved superior results against lower level competition.
It is significantly easier to put up monstrous numbers when your offensive line completely overwhelms the defensive line (most D2 'dynasties' are vastly superior to their conference counterparts) and your skill position players are completely outcl***ing your opponents.
Does that diminish the accomplishments of Lee Hill? Not at all ... he was clearly a phenomenal QB.
Danny Woodhead from Chadron State College is on pace to shatter the all-division NCAA rushing yardage records and I'll bet he doesn't even get drafted. Whether he's considered college HOF worthy after his college days have p***ed is a matter for the committee ... but I guarantee they'll take a hard look at what he accomplished against the caliber of competition he faced.
6/25/2007 7:10 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ddingo on 6/25/2007
There is a very clear lack of parity between the top tier D2/D3 teams when compared to D1. Like cravedogg, I discounted the performances of players who achieved superior results against lower level competition.
It is significantly easier to put up monstrous numbers when your offensive line completely overwhelms the defensive line (most D2 'dynasties' are vastly superior to their conference counterparts) and your skill position players are completely outcl***ing your opponents.
Does that diminish the accomplishments of Lee Hill? Not at all ... he was clearly a phenomenal QB.
Danny Woodhead from Chadron State College is on pace to shatter the all-division NCAA rushing yardage records and I'll bet he doesn't even get drafted. Whether he's considered college HOF worthy after his college days have p***ed is a matter for the committee ... but I guarantee they'll take a hard look at what he accomplished against the caliber of competition he faced.
True in real world situations. However this is GD. In L.Hill situation I am willing to bet that he faced more human coached competition then most of these 1A and 1AA players as he played while DII was still fairly full. Most of the Upper level players padded their stats against Sim led teams(ones that had these lesser players you mentioned) The fact that he put up those same numbers in playoff games where the competition was on a more even playing field should of warranted his being in the GD hall of fame.
6/25/2007 8:39 AM
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So is it Lee Hill's fault no D-IA or D-IAA school had the foresight to recruit him? He had the talent to play at those levels.
6/25/2007 8:55 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tcmac08 on 6/25/2007
Quote: Originally Posted By ddingo on 6/25/2007
There is a very clear lack of parity between the top tier D2/D3 teams when compared to D1. Like cravedogg, I discounted the performances of players who achieved superior results against lower level competition.
It is significantly easier to put up monstrous numbers when your offensive line completely overwhelms the defensive line (most D2 'dynasties' are vastly superior to their conference counterparts) and your skill position players are completely outcl***ing your opponents.
Does that diminish the accomplishments of Lee Hill? Not at all ... he was clearly a phenomenal QB.
Danny Woodhead from Chadron State College is on pace to shatter the all-division NCAA rushing yardage records and I'll bet he doesn't even get drafted. Whether he's considered college HOF worthy after his college days have p***ed is a matter for the committee ... but I guarantee they'll take a hard look at what he accomplished against the caliber of competition he faced.
True in real world situations. However this is GD. In L.Hill situation I am willing to bet that he faced more human coached competition then most of these 1A and 1AA players as he played while DII was still fairly full. Most of the Upper level players padded their stats against Sim led teams(ones that had these lesser players you mentioned) The fact that he put up those same numbers in playoff games where the competition was on a more even playing field should of warranted his being in the GD hall of fame.
He bet on his own games.
6/25/2007 9:07 AM
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Alright I'm already tired of hearing about L. Hill someone put his numbers up here so at least we know what he did.
6/25/2007 9:18 AM
richramirez
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Lee Hill was never used to pile up stats he just won. I think to truely appreciate him look at his D2 ratings.
Lee Hill
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6'5", 228
GPA: 2.8
Wallace-Rose Hill HS
Teachey, NC
YRGPGSATTCPCP%YDSTDINTSCKRATTRYDSRAVGRTD
5th Year Senior191840128170.14951440825160.60
Senior191937524966.441433931039-35-0.90
Junior191935423365.836063121024-57-2.40
Sop****re18018512668.11819190612-33-2.80
Athleticism:73+ Speed:71+
Strength:63+ Blocking:01-
Tackling:01 Hands:61+
Game Instinct:91+ Elusiveness:70+
Durability:69+ Stamina:65+
Work Ethic:64+ Technique:86+
6/25/2007 10:58 AM
jeffkahleb
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With those ratings it looks like he underperformed.
6/25/2007 11:15 AM
ddingo
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The fact that he didn't start a game in his 5th season raised some questions for me.
6/25/2007 12:08 PM
richramirez
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If I remember he was hurt to start the season, what questions does it raise? He was basically my starting QB for 3 seasons. Game Starts have no bearing on his status as the starting QB. Give me a break. Just forget it and him, what joke. 18-1 (lost in the title game) 19-0 NC, 19-0 NC. Those are the only real numbers that count. He wasn't used to pile on stats as from his ratings prove he clearly could have easliy. He also helped me win the big games. I believe the other QB inducted found a way to lose the big game each season, but i'm sure he had great stats when it didn't matter. Question that.
I'm done, when a coach says he questions not starting that proves to me this is big joke. At worst it was an injury or depth chart flaw (i don't remember) and he actually did play but I guess that wouldn't matter either.
Again, I'm done, I've made my case you can go back and question why he didn't start or why with his ratings he didn't pile on stats and underachieved. Of course if he did pile on stats he was only D2 and it wouldn't matter. I don't want him in with this type of BS. IF Maddiesdad will honor my request he won't be on another ballot from this point forward.
15 Mars Hill19-0 (12-0) Finished #3 Conference Champion
National Champion
14 Mars Hill19-0 (12-0) Finished #7 Conference Champion
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13 Mars Hill18-1 (12-0) Finished #1 Conference Champion
Playoffs: Lost in the national championship game.
6/25/2007 12:19 PM
jeffkahleb
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Chill guy. I'm not voting on anyone. I've got QB's who have won more NC's and had better numbers. I didn't even submit them, yet.
6/25/2007 12:59 PM
cravedogg
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Rich,
First and foremost this is nothing personal or anything against Lee Hill in particular. I am just discounting stats on d2 and d3 players. Having coached at that level I know it is much easier for one player to completely dominate the game, especially QBs. This doesn't mean I will never vote for Lee Hill, just felt like some other players were more deserving. I am actually more impressed with some of your d1A qbs
6/25/2007 2:11 PM
ddingo
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Quote: Originally Posted By richramirez on 6/25/2007
If I remember he was hurt to start the season, what questions does it raise? He was basically my starting QB for 3 seasons. Game Starts have no bearing on his status as the starting QB. Give me a break. Just forget it and him, what joke. 18-1 (lost in the title game) 19-0 NC, 19-0 NC. Those are the only real numbers that count. He wasn't used to pile on stats as from his ratings prove he clearly could have easliy. He also helped me win the big games. I believe the other QB inducted found a way to lose the big game each season, but i'm sure he had great stats when it didn't matter. Question that.
I'm done, when a coach says he questions not starting that proves to me this is big joke. At worst it was an injury or depth chart flaw (i don't remember) and he actually did play but I guess that wouldn't matter either.
Again, I'm done, I've made my case you can go back and question why he didn't start or why with his ratings he didn't pile on stats and underachieved. Of course if he did pile on stats he was only D2 and it wouldn't matter. I don't want him in with this type of BS. IF Maddiesdad will honor my request he won't be on another ballot from this point forward.
15 Mars Hill19-0 (12-0) Finished #3 Conference Champion
National Champion
14 Mars Hill19-0 (12-0) Finished #7 Conference Champion
National Champion
13 Mars Hill18-1 (12-0) Finished #1 Conference Champion
Playoffs: Lost in the national championship game.
Simmer down Rich. It was a joke. I guess I needed to put some emoticons or "LOL" in my post.Lee Hill is a great QB at the D2 level and he probably would have been great at the D-1 level. However, I didn't feel he was worthy of inclusion in the Hall. I'm sure we can agree to disagree without getting emotionally charged. Interestingly, it looks like a few other coaches also agreed with my ***essment.He probably bet on games and his tackling sucked. His blocking fundamentals were also horrendous.
6/25/2007 9:14 PM
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